Quote from Forbin :

They're bringing the 1000's back to Daytona in 2015.



Wet clutch just means the plates are in an oil bath. If you mean hydraulic clutch as opposed to cable actuation, it's easy enough to relocate the plumbing.

Yeah that. And it's not that easy. Sure rearrange the hose, but where to put the resevoir? I could transverse mount it on the shifter, but then I'd have to do something with the lever. Some sort of linkage. Put the reservoir on the frame somewhere?
I don't think I can do much with the stock lever. Not anything that would be both reliably functional and look good. I have easy access to a water jet cutter and metal finishing, I could come up with something.
LOL there's always google. All the metric customs out there, there's bound to be something I can learn from.

Quote from sinbad :

Unfortunately I think if somehow they were to race a high speed oval at somewhere like Talledega the bikes would be closer to 50cc than 8000cc. With safety in mind I think the 600 supersports such as those that they use Daytona would be the absolute limit, but even then I doubt they would ever consider doing it. Constant high speeds, dozens of bikes slipstreaming within inches of each other, crashed bikes bouncing back across the track, riders on the road: I think you'd be incredibly lucky to make it through a race without someone being seriously injured or worse.

Oh no... this is straight up fantasy. LOL That kind of racing would be suicidal at best.

Quote from Fordman :

If he was in the US, that would Electrocute the f&^%er but that is to good for him. Lethal Injection, again to good for him. He needs to be made to suffer like the families of the victims, but guess what, under the Human Rights Act, out of Brussels's this won't happen

Apparently he has a right to live, and be treated fair....

I'm a strange American in that I don't believe in Capital punishment or abortion. Usually we believe in one and totally against the other.
Sure there's plenty of people out there that don't really need to be breathing anymore, but governments aren't known to be the most competent institutions for doing that.
And like you said...what sort of justice would be served if he gets lionized in the media, then allowed to take a nap? That is too good for him.
Nope, he should be in a prison, where even if he doesn't care about what he's done, others will. Somewhere where he has to worry about some dude shanking him over a food tray instead of having up to date video games.

Quote from Forbin :

https://www.google.com/search? ... amp;biw=1920&bih=1099

https://www.google.com/search? ... amp;biw=1920&bih=1099

That one blue bike... the one that looks like a cross between a lazy-boy recliner and a ninja? They show photos of it going thru twisties, but it still looks like it's not very maneuverable. It has a lower center of gravity, but still How touchy would it be or would it be stiff at highway speeds? I dunno. it looks like it would be too hard to initiate a quick turn and too easy to overcompensate at the same time. I wouldn't want to be on it when some texter decides to veer into my lane.
But as far as racing at something like Talledega or whatever, would that be a good riding position?

I gotta another problem... I've been seriously considering making the suzuki a suicide shifter. You know, a gear shift. Only it has a wet clutch. I want to incorporate the clutch lever with the gear shift. Any ideas? Yeah, it's dumb and dangerous, so I probably won't do it. But it would look cool.
LOL scooter trash seeking advice from a crotch rocketeer about a chopper project.
LOL I dunno. Here that rivalry really doesn't exist. There's oneupmanship, but that's limited to stupid jokes or comments. Not no disrespect.
I think that's just some nonsense some cager made up stuck in traffic, hating on us cause somebody like Gils rode by with the guy's highschool sweet heart on the back, totally diggin the pencil that was under the bitch box.

It's finally a nice day here. Think I'm gonna play in traffic with the weekend warriors and their mortgage glides for a while.

While this debate/discussion/ BS fest was happening, about ... I dunno 5-10 miles south of me a really gruesome murder happened. Not the same cartel/gang based homicide or two drunks fighting over the same parking space shooting we normally get. No. this was out there.

http://www.chron.com/neighborh ... teen-s-family-5224664.php

They don't into too much detail of the murder. What actually happened in detail would really be too much for them to put in the article. Trust me. It's really bad.

LOL too bad for them they're not in Norway. They could be playing video games instead of worrying about being punked out.

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He gets 3 hots and a cot AND a play station? What did the survivors of the victims get?
Closure? A sense of justice? Especially knowing he's getting a free ride and playing video games?
Dammit Norway! OK so you don't execute scumbags, but don't y'all have something like the ABT or the Mexican Mafia in your prison system? Get them to take care of this clown. All he's doing is wasting your tax payer money.

Hunger strike? Well since the government there has decided he has more value than the victims and coddles him, They ought to indulge him in this matter too and let him starve.
LOL They should see if they can transfer him to a correctional facility that knows how to properly care for inmates like him.
I'm thinking Louisiana or Brazil.

I started a sketch on a fantasy bike I thought would be used for NASCAR style oval racing. Well you know that saying,"If you've thought it up, someone else has built it"?
Yeah...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?a ... cthIoFg&v=ANwiN2jAa3s

only this guy uses a dodge viper motor. LOL I don't like the rider's position on his bike either. It's a little too high

Quote from Becky Rose :

I only do that when people are wrong. Why would you fear being wrong unless you KNOW you talk shit?

LOLOLOLOL
I love you too.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Well, we've had technocrical, atheist, agnostic, Christian and Buddhist. I doubt any Muslems would post here given the response to Christians.
Be great to hear from others regarding their beliefs regarding liff, the universe and everything.

And, as a Buddhist, I have no issue with others being 'wrong'.
A; I may well be wrong myself so it's not up to me to tell anyone what's right or wrong.
B; If I am right, then that's fine because you'll all have more chances to get it right.

Would've posted sooner, but was afraid Ms. Rose was here waiting to tear me a new one

You're a Buddhist?....My Brother-in-law is a Hindu from Nepal. LOL internet dating. turning spinsters into cougars and illegal aliens into people with green cards...
You KNOW I have fun with him (his Nickname is either Slum dog or Apu or nevermind..). He's actually a good guy. he's got a good sense of humor. Dummer than a sack of hammers, but if you like Indian food, the dude can cook.
Anyways, he's from a pretty interesting sect. Apparently this sect is into smoking weed. ROFL when we found that out we RAN with it! If you made the mistake of being in our family, then you're open game. Unlike sex, racism is fun if you keep it in the family.
Anyways, heard of Joel Olsteen? Well this dude on Sunday, when they broadcast his show, sits around watching it, smoking dope.
After the laugh attack, the realization set in. he watched the show because since it was supposedly religious in nature, it provided the spiritual link his faith required. I ain't making this up. Wow. Get high and watch Joel Olsteen.... go figure.

Buddhism... It's been years since I seriously cared enough, so I don't remember where I got this from. Buddhism is a lot like Islam and Christianity as it's expansive in nature. In fact, they spread as far west as Babylon, thus coming into contact with the Ameraic people (Hebrews). There was evidence, not much, that in Jesus' early years, before Yoko. Wait Before he became the Jesus in the Bible, he was in Babylon and may have came into contact with the religion and it shaped his ideology. It could've been an influence if you think about it a little. What do you think?
A lot of the splits between Christianity and Judaism are similarities between Christianity and Buddhism, don't you think?


I dunno... there's this one church in Kentucky where they play blaring Rock-a-billy and let snakes bite them. Yeah, I could dig smoking dope and going to that church... Beats the hell out of Joel Olsteen.

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Quote from Becky Rose :

No I am not telling you what is Christian and what isn't.

I am pointing out that:

• The Christian bible prescribes different punitive actions for different sins.
  

Therefor, in contrast to the Dogma which claims sins are equal, the sins are not equal. If you guage a sin only on the basis of heaven and hell then there is only 1 sin - to not believe in God.



There are also many things which are not regarded as sins but also carry chronically severe punishments, such as a wife's husband dying before she bears him a son.


If you believe in the bible and voluntarily choose to worship the evil pedophile voyeur God, then you might want to consider separating the dogma from the actual text.


Better yet, understand the concepts in their original - ancient - language, you'll be surprised how meanings have changed in the translation to English and the 1950's re-translation (which added homosexuality as a sin by translating using modern translations for words like Malakoi which had earning their meaning BECAUSE of the church).


You might also want to look at the history of how the bible was written, the when and who. For instance, there is an awful lot of that pesky annoying evidence stuff that says categorically that the entire religion was a contrivance of the Roman senate who failed to secure affirmative military victory against the rebellious Israelites (who in a fit of irony with today's world: took issue with paying taxes) and who instead sought to subjugate the Israelites by serving them with a modified form of Judaism.


But don't dwell too much on the facts that bother you or interfere with your faith if you find that uncomfortable because you cannot be a true Christian if you let facts get in the way of your faith. Just do at the least understand the difference between what your bible actually says on various subjects instead of what the established dogma interprets - and then interpret the bits that you like and ignore all that awkward slavery and misogynistic stuff.

.... Who are you posting this to?
Did you bother to read my posts on this matter? Or just picking things to make arguments with?
I'm just stating the stuff that they threw at me. Not what I believe. Gheesh. Get a clue.
But to be honest, all your history channel interpretations of the Bible would get you shot down in flames if you were to prop all that up in a debate with a real deal Jesus freak.

>>> Yes I Do know about the canonization process and what criteria the books had to have to be considered in the New Testament.

Hey I gotta idea. Why don't you tell us about the Mysteries of the Yule Log?

"There are also many things which are not regarded as sins but also carry chronically severe punishments, such as a wife's husband dying before she bears him a son."

Testament? Book? Verse? Or did they tell that on the TV?

"You might also want to look at the history of how the bible was written, the when and who. For instance, there is an awful lot of that pesky annoying evidence stuff that says categorically that the entire religion was a contrivance of the Roman senate who failed to secure affirmative military victory against the rebellious Israelites (who in a fit of irony with today's world: took issue with paying taxes) and who instead sought to subjugate the Israelites by serving them with a modified form of Judaism."

Why? It's most likely more half baked nonsense with more flimsy evidence than the Bible it attacks.


"Just do at the least understand the difference between what your bible actually says on various subjects instead of what the established dogma interprets - and then interpret the bits that you like and ignore all that awkward slavery and misogynistic stuff."

You mean sorta like what you're doing?

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

LOL, you might enjoy this.

"God was drunk when he made me," all their tracks are good though.
http://myfreemp3.eu/music/Parcel+Of+Rogues+%28+NZ+%29

NZ band Parcel of Rogues, Twisted country roots.
( Free MP3 download, their album is availible for free on the net too )

LOL I like that song.
They're kinda like a cross between Mearle Haggard and Drop Kick Murphys

Here. Pretend you're an American for about 15 minutes.

Apparently, I agree with Libertarians 73% (LOL like they get elected for much) Republicans 69% (nice number) Democrats 51% (didn't think it's be THAT high)
the Green party 37% (hadn't hugged a tree since the LSD days, but that's another story)
And the Socialists 13% (WTF???!!!!??? I'm from Texas. There's gotta be a mistake there somewhere. The only use I have for Socialists is for them to hold my targets!)

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Sin is an interesting Christian concept, particually the concept of 'original sin.' Seem's a bit sad to assume that we're all guilty, but provided you accept christ died for you and you seek forgivness, especially when you do something 'wrong' then your automaticly 'cleansed of sin'.

That's why I prefer the theory of Kharma, which is (very) simply put, all life forces attract positive and negative kharma through their actions during each life. the plus or minus kharma gets carried over at each reincarnation, in which realm you are reborn reflects that kharma.
( There are books written about this, the above is vastly simplified )

The difference is, in christianity you are not responsible for your actions, khamic law you are completely responsible, and it will bit you !

Sorry, just don't believe in it. ... uh Kharma this time.
To quote Mickey (Woody Harrelson) from Natural Born Killers, "I am the God of my world".

"The difference is, in Christianity you are not responsible for your actions..."
Yep, the devil made me do it

Here you'll get a kick outta this. Kinky Friedman, The Greatest Jew since Jesus Christ. he's running for Ag commissioner here in Texas. He favors making weed legal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-wAlp7PDYM

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Quote from Becky Rose :

I believe you are referring to the colour grey improperly.

More disturbingly, you seem to feel that all sins are the same.

Well Catholics can now eat meet on Fridays; can now be cremated; and fasting before communion is now only an hour instead of from midnight; oh and of course slavery is a-okay provided you enslave a foreigner.

But your argument is false. Some sins are not part of the dogma: For instance it is a sin to eat a misshapen grape according to the bible, but it is not part of the dogma. Few Christians are even aware of this sin - and yet it is a sin in the Old Testament and the Tora. (Not sure on New Testament).

How do you reconcile such descrepancies and still claim that your God's failure to intervene in Child abuse is A-OKAY, in fact, he should be thanked for it.

The Christianity that got rammed down my throat said all sins are equal.
So no, my argument isn't false. Or are you trying to decide for me what is Christian and what isn't? You sure you're not a Southern Baptist? My grandpa did that all the damned time.
LOL he didn't think much of Catholics, He called them Idol worshiping gamblers.
If i was religious, all that Catholicism dictates would fall on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned.
And the grape thing... That's Kosher, like Pork and shellfish.
Jews got like 6 hundred or so things they have to look out for besides the ten commandments. I think the food thing phased out when Jesus traveled to the future and got a McRib.
If you really want fodder to promote your atheist religion (look at how you've been "preaching" it), then read the book of Timothy. There's all kinds of stuff in that that you could use to trip up Christians.

Man, It's REALLY getting HOT here!

Quote from sinbad :

That sounds like something the Catholic church would actually come up with. "God works in mysterious ways."
Cats chasing rats? You're suggesting, I infer, that God probably/possibly sees we humans in the same way we regard animals, but I still say your comparison is completely off.

The main way I think you're wrong to make that comparison is that "God" did not create cats in his own image. He apparently created Man in his own image. And I suggest that if you created, somehow, a species in your own image, it would be depraved and deplorable for you to stand by and allow the adults to molest and rape the infants, it would not be the same as cats chasing rats.

eww. It sorta does sound that way don't it?

is it depraved and deplorable for God to sit back and watch people lie, cheat and steal?
is it deplorable for him to watch people gamble their savings away?
Is it deplorable for him to allow people to wish they had what someone else does?

See your problem is your trying to put a value on sins. That's a big problem with all of us. LOL For us to be doing that is the sin of vanity, you know. But as far as the big picture goes, it's just one more sinful act out of an infinite amount. No sin is worse than another. it's like trying to call a color as dark black or something. It's still black.
And if there was a God and he... I dunno abolished a sin from being able to happen, where would the line be drawn on that?
In the case of child molestation, several "sins" are occurring besides the act itself.
Envy and Lying come to mind. Maybe sloth? If he was going to abolish that concept, wouldn't he have to abolish those concepts too?
If that happened, what would we be?

Is it just me? Or is it getting hot to you?

I dunno. I'd rather get back to trying to determine the likely hood of development of intelligent life in a Goldilocks zone. It's easier on the brain.

Quote from Intrepid :

If god's plan includes child abuse then he is implicit in that action, thus negating his own existence. He would have to send himself to hell, if this is all part of his plan.

There are so many philosophical hypocrisies in organised religion its barely worth even starting to highlight them. The fact that religious people need the promise of heaven to reward their selfless behaviour or worship, thus making that selfless behaviour actually selfish, is one that I find amusing. Surely for someone to be truly selfless they can't be influenced by the word of god? Again, however all this is pointless to argue.

I happen to be agnostic, but I would hope any unfortunate person that happens to have suffered child abuse please read this please note - it is NOT god's plan. That's complete and utter bollocks.

What happened to the kids that made fun of Ezekiel?
What happened to the first born Egyptian sons?
What happened to every single descendant of Ham?


God...
Let's say there was an Almighty... Then if that's the case, it's not so much HOW the universe developed, but WHY.
Actually WHY the universe formed applies either way I guess.

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Quote from sinbad :

"Lemme ask you something. When you see a cat going after a rat, do you stop it?"

You didn't just equate child abuse with a cat chasing a rat did you?

Uh... Yeah.
Think about it some. kick the tires. Drive it around.
To us, Child abuse is horrifying, we'd go nuts to stop it. But that's us. All we know is there's child abuse going on and that's it. We can't tell or even almost determine if the act is part of a much bigger play going on.
From our point of view it's simple child abuse.
From God's point of view? Who knows?
But reading the Bible or the Koran, there's all sorts of stories where massive battles happened, mindless, or seemingly mindless murders and assorted cruelty that had to happen for better things in the long run.

.....Thanks Sinbad, now you got me trying to play the Devil's advocate for God...
Great. If there's a God out there, I'm in trouble.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Your rettention ability might show a high IK, IQ is problem solving. To solve a problem against evidence to the contrary (Genesis) you - by definition - prove a low IQ. There is no other way to explain ignoring or denying actual facts and choosing a made up solution because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. I do hope your IQ tests where not the Cattel test.


All of the above, but without malicious intent.


This belief that Christians - a majority group in the West - are persecuted is propaganda. Further evidence that the church can spin a lie and people will believe it. It's not fashionable to hate Christianity, and it certainly is not fashionable to hate Christians (there is a clear difference). Hating Christianity is a rational process, hating Christians would be dumb.


If you where of certain denominations then yes you would have a need to appologise, along with some immediate repenting! The acts of the Catholic church are simply outright evil, their policy on condoms is nothing short of murder. The Baptist cult actively campaigns against civil rights in my country, and instructs it's members to directly confront those it disagrees with and demands them to change (I've experienced this myself). These cults have a LOT to apologise for, and if you support them - then so would you.


So you're Jewish...


...except you aren't. Isn't it a bit late in the day to be reading and believing 4th century Roman propaganda?


The brain has many facets, but I chose to believe that you are not a lost cause. Maybe you will work out why Christianity exists, or put some rational thought in to why religions are not universal despite centuries of missionary activity across the globe (and it is a globe btw).


It's a dimension, not matter.


Your last sentence here is intelligent, although I think more along the lines of a long period event than the Rapture.

Your other ramblings on time are a little strange, Christianity asserts that Humans are the purpose of creation, Earth is the centre of all things (and ironically given your earlier statement about the speed of light, it is the centre of the observable universe - but that's easily misconstrued so lets not go there just now). My point being, Christianity has a very clearly defined frame of reference for time. It's not abstracted, it's not intangible. According to Christian doctrine Humans - who live on 1 planet - have a defined and fixed frame of reference for the passage of time upon which a day is a day is a day...

Was this reference to days metaphorical? Well that would screw up the concept of the Sabbath wouldn't it :P...


I have just this to say...

The Bible says that God is:

omnipotent (all powerful)
omnipresent (everywhere)
omniscient (sees everything)

Which means he is present at, and witness to child abuse with the power to stop it.

Yet he chooses not too. Voluntarily allowing an innocent to suffer.

What kind of a bastard does that?

Either your God does NOT deserve worship, or your bible is wrong.

You're bible is also wrong in Genesis, as you've already freely admitted.

So if we remove Genesis - which itself is a compilation of 3 earlier books which was allegedly done by Moses. Which clearly indicates Moses as a fraud. Then we add that your God condones Child abuse (and in the Catholic sect encourages child rape), and frankly even if this God was real - frankly I want nothing to do with him.

So... did you get suckered by Jim and Tammy back in the 80's or something?
Yeah. Don't give those people money expecting the rainbows they promised. You'll only become a disappointed atheist with an abnormal obsession with religion.......oh wait... you probably know that - huh?
LOLOL When Black Sabbath got Ian Gillian to sing for them on the Born Again album, those bubbleheads actually though it meant "Born Again" and invited Ian Gillian to promote his album on their show.
Yeah. Back in the day, we'd hang with Sidney and watch them clowns. Most of the time we'd turn the sound down and play some sort of metal.

Y'all ever heard of Jimmy Swaggart? Well he's related to country and wester singer Mickey Gilley (think Urban Cowboy). Anyways, I used to get drunk once in a while with Keith Gilley, mickey Gilley's son and Jimmy Swaqggart's second cousin.
Screw Kevin Bacon. How many people does that make me away from God?

"The Bible says that God is:

omnipotent (all powerful)
omnipresent (everywhere)
omniscient (sees everything)

Which means he is present at, and witness to child abuse with the power to stop it.

Yet he chooses not too. Voluntarily allowing an innocent to suffer.

What kind of a bastard does that?

Either your God does NOT deserve worship, or your bible is wrong."

Lemme ask you something. When you see a cat going after a rat, do you stop it?

"Voluntarily allowing an innocent to suffer."
Like when he allows doctors to perform third trimester abortions?

You know you sound just like an evangelical preacher don't you?

"Either your God does NOT deserve worship, or your bible is wrong."
If you're an atheist, how do you know this? What great knowledge do you have that the rest of us don't?

If there is a God, then something tells me things are way more complex than the simplicity you're trying to make it be.

Jesus Christ Ms. Rose. My preacher Grand Pa told me I was basically unfit for salvation and I don't have anywhere near the attitude you do.

Quote from imthebestracerthereis :

"I don't know why people are surprised at the horrible living conditions in Sochi. If you ban all the gays from your town, your interior decorating is going to suffer."

ROFL I have a couple a gay friends. I think I'll run that by them. I'll wait til they're drinking though to see if I can't get it to come out their noses when they start laughing.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

"F**k the EU," Nuland allegedly says in what appeared to be a recent phone call with US ambassador to Kiev, Geoff Pyatt, which was somehow intercepted and uploaded on to YouTube accompanied by Russian captions.
US officials, while not denying such a conversation took place, refused to go into details, and pointed the finger at Russia for allegedly bugging the diplomats' phones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/worl ... d=2&objectid=11198272


Oh dear, and Americans wonder why most of the world considers them a joke. How dare anyone bug a US Ambassadors phone, unless, perhaps, they got the idea from the US bugging the EU..........

http://www.spiegel.de/internat ... ion-offices-a-908590.html
The documents SPIEGEL has seen indicate that the EU representation to the United Nations was attacked in a manner similar to the way surveillance was conducted against its offices in Washington. An NSA document dated September 2010 explicitly names the Europeans as a "location target".

"US officials, while not denying such a conversation took place, refused to go into details, and pointed the finger at Russia for allegedly bugging the diplomats' phones."

They sure did. They got Snowden to do it for them LOLOLOLOL.

Nobody should give Ball Bearing Turbo a hard time cause of his beliefs. As much as I may tease Christians, I dunno maybe it's being American and that freedom of religion thing, but they have every right to their beliefs as anyone else does.
In fact my goofy Idea of development of life doesn't really factor God out... It's just not put in. An intelligent creationist point of view shouldn't be simply dismissed out of hand.
The Vatican...
You know what that's good for Ball Bearing? It is so established and set up, that it can withstand things the Protestant denominations or Non-denominationals can't. Especially the non-denominationals.
If one of those asteroids does come crashing down and wipes out 60% of the planet, chances are the Roman Catholic Church and it's dogma, AKA Christianity, will survive. That can't be said of Anglicans, Baptists, Lutherans or any of post Calvinist branches that are all over N. America. The same for the Greek Orthodox or the Coptic Christians. The Roman Catholic Church is the safest bet. Plus the Vatican has all sorts of canonized papers and all that neat stuff that might just make it through for future generations.

@ Blas... 92% Catholic in Mexico? I thought Protestantism was on the rise there.
A lot of us and us mixes (lol Juedos...? my spanish spelling sucks) are protestant on this side of the valley.
One friend of mine, his Dad is a Mexican Baptist Preacher.

Just cause the majority of us don't believe Ball Bearing, we can't totally discount your point of view either. In my opinion, it holds just as much weight. Cause at the very best, with all the research we've posted links to and read with all the crazy examples, at the end it's still just speculation.

LOL after this thread, I'm kinda wondering WHAT to believe.

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Quote from Blas89 :

Thanks, I will read it later.



I think something is missing from your experiment idea, the way you talk about the aquarium gives the idea that it is a closed system which in reality it wouldn't, life, microbial or not would not be able to develope itself in a closed system. The Earth was an open system, it recieved massive hits from asteroids, comets etc. and those could bring the ingredients for life etc. From where would the microbes get their food in your aquarium? Maybe they can live by recycling their resources, but I hardly think they will evolve into something else.



I'm sorry if you find the thread offensive, it wasn't supposed to be.

Yeah. you're right. OK then let's say every once in a while something falls into the aquarium All sorts of things. Rocks. A candy bar wrapper. A bug. doesn't matter. There's still no bona fide guarantee. While all these things that fall into the aquarium could be instrumental in developing and pretty much responsible for shaping the evolution of whatever is in the aquarium, those things could also bring about it's demise.

@majod:
Uh yeah a few people on this thread are using it as a virtual soap box to preach about their faith in atheism. Give them a break. Their friends in the real world are probably tired of hearing it. And they gotta preach somewhere.
But if you'd read a little bit, the discussion is trying to determine the likelyhood of similar development on the other planets out there
And it's not a flame war or anything. We're all just grabbing things and putting them out there for the rest of us to take in and discuss.
You really don't get that on too may threads these days.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Firstly the Big Bang theory is wrong. There is not enough lithium in the universe. There is insufficient dark matter so make up the missing matter, so that theory is likely wrong too.

Secondly science cannot answer the big questions, it relies on an impartial observer. We already know that the observer is part of the question.

Thus, to answer the big questions all we have is theology.

This is damaging to the world, theology is a force for evil in our world. But we need it because many people require answers to something that cannot be answered and they believe that knowing AN answer - even a scientifically disproven one like the Christian faith is better than not knowing an answer.

There is no rational thought process which can lead to belief in proven falsehood. Therefor faith is scientific evidence of stupidity, and I treat it as such.

What are you going on about? The Big Bang Theory is one of my favorite shows! I wouldn't think a show about nerds would be so good, but it is!

Quote from Becky Rose :

There is no rational thought process which can lead to belief in proven falsehood. Therefor faith is scientific evidence of stupidity, and I treat it as such.

Sure there is. The power of suggestion capitalizes on rational thought process.
Why do think there are so many socialists and conservatives running around
when such a large number of normal folks realize the left and right wings are nothing more than moronic political scumbags?
Yep they got the same kinda hook as what a preacher throws out for his flock. All that egalitarian bullshit from some over educated, mentally challenged left winger is every bit the same stupid garbage as the unicorns and rainbows some slope headed pastors promise to their flocks on the right wing of things. Yet people, gullible herd animals as what they are, just eat it up.

And just how do you disprove Christian Faith? I see Faithful Christians all over the damned place. Them morons bang on my door at early thirty wanting to know if I want a copy of the Watch Tower or in my case, wanting to know if I know if my neighbors are Spanish speaking Protestants. Yeah I'm pretty sure it's there.

Man this is a great thread! Thanks for starting it Racer X

Quote from MadCat360 :

Re: probability of life.

The main assumption of people who tend to think the formation of life is improbable is that it is based on probability. It is not. Given the presence of not uncommon conditions, life is a certainty. It's a physical process, not some dice roll (on a macro scale. Obviously some probability creeps in on the mutagenic scale due to quantum mechanics).

Speaking of uncommon conditions, I recently read a very interesting, very short paper about the occurrence of a universal goldilocks zone with relation to water temperature and the conditions for carbon based life. The idea goes that about 10-17 million years after the collapse of the universal plasma, the mean spatial temperature would have been about 300k, which would have meant a universal goldilocks zone. Every planet, even rogue planets, excepting those already too close to young stars, would have been in more or less prime position to harbor life. It is not much of a stretch at all at that point to consider panspermeation being a relatively common occurrence, with the residents of the involved chunks finding a planet either already in or about to transition to a goldilocks zone. It's also very likely that these rogue planets harbored life well beyond the point when the mean temperature dropped to an uninhabitable degree due to tectonic, heat vent, and other life supporting planetary activity.

Hey that's great! Uh... the discussion was INTELLIGENT life, The "odds" of successive mutations occurring on a planet making it far enough along that they wind up with a species have a sense of self, make fire and kill others for fun. That's where things get tricky.
I'm no scientist, but I do gamble. Yeah, evolution is a crap shoot. Ever shoot dice? It's real easy to use a crap game as a vehicle to base evolutionary development with. It's not totally accurate as we're playing with random variables, but it's close enough. LOL a starter set for Darwinism.

I read a little about Goldilocks zones too. It has valid points, but still doesn't automatically guarantee survival of life or the advancement of life. It just proposes the possibility of life.
Maybe this is the wrong example, but here goes.
Say you have a nice aquarium you've set up, it's perfect to support a multitude of fishes. Are those fish going to magically develop just cause there's a nice place for them? Of course not. Now let's say you did all that and left the tank alone... for a few million years. Does that mean the microbes in the cycled tank will automatically develop into something else? No. It just means that the possibility for them to develop is there. Does that make sense?